Shades of Submissive & Slave Needs
» BDSM, D/s, S&M: Speculations
An old essay distinguishing between submissiveness and slavishness and outlining the varying degrees of each that those of us on the surrendering half of the power exchange have within ourselves. Ranging from The Outright Non-submissive Masochist or Kinky Sensualist to the Consensual Total Slave with No Limits. A nice attempt to capture the variety of individual needs and illustrate that there is no one right way.
Within the S/M subculture, different people use the words “submissive” and “slave” to mean many different things. When submissives say “I want to be your slave”, sometimes they mean only that they want to be tied up and whipped. Many professional dominants routinely refer to their (usually not very genuinely submissive) clients as “slaves”. At the other extreme, there are people who want to be full-time personal servants, and who truly want to exist solely for their “owner’s” use, pleasure, and convenience. And there are many shades in between these two extremes.
Which are you? (Or which do you like best?)


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This may not fit the different descriptions in the article you posted but this is what I think on the whole subject.
I was a slave when I first entered this lifestyle, and personally that is what I am searching for. I dont really care for the mind set of the submissives, at least the ones I have interacted with. I want someone who is committed as much as possible and for who this is a permenant lifestyle choice.
I want someone who can take care of Me, and see to My needs. But they must be intelligent enough that when given the parameters of their slavery they are able to make decisions on their own that would benefit the both of us. I do not really want to micro manage a slave, someone who wants to be told how to do every last little thing. I have come across quite a few like that, ones who are so blank they must be told to eat, sleep and breathe. If I had wanted that I would have had children.
I want someone willing to submit on a 24/7 ( or as much a 24/7 as it could honestly be ) who understands that what they do everyday and in every way is to be for My honor. But in all honesty, I want someone who can anticipate my needs and meet them before I ask.
Some tell Me this is impossible but I know it isn’t, for I was THAT slave when I wore My Dragons collar almost seven years ago. It was a natural mind set for Me and I really dont think I was all that unique I know there are others out there who think the same way I did about being a slave and what it means to serve.
Posted by: Mim RedBeard | December 18, 2005 4:23 PM
There are plenty of guys who claim they want to be automatons but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman looking for one.
There are probably exceptions but it seems like dominant women usually want someone intelligent and –however obedient – self-motivating. If more guys understood that they’d have better luck. Though I’ve never been sure if self-proclaimed submissive men are really more clueless than vanilla guys looking to meet women.
I sometimes wonder how close I could come to handling 24/7. I could never really think about it because being myself without needing time for myself in which to fulfill my need to write, listen to music, read, watch the kind of movies I like. I’d wither without that.
Enjoying pleasing another and anticipating their desires isn’t just a matter of D/s. I’ve always wanted to be, tried to be that kind of guy. It was Alexandra that saw my chivalrous and submissive qualities were two sides to the same part of me.
So I imagine you can find the kind of man you are looking for. Part of the problem may just be geography. If you were in an urban area there’d be more people and more of them would have had a chance to think about surrender as more than just overwhelming cravings.
The wait to find someone compatible with your needs can be a damned pain.
Posted by: Richard | December 18, 2005 5:22 PM
One thing about 24/7 for it to work properly, both people must have their own free time, as decided when the collar was first placed on their neck. Perhaps their free time is implemented into their daily routine, a good 2 hour down time when they get home from work or maybe split that into 30 minute sessions. I think it is important for both Mistress and slave to have that time and make sure it is quality time for then when the free time is up and they had come back together it makes the re joining all that much sweeter.
I think if I had to spend 24/7 literally with someone no matter how invisible they might make themselves it would drive me nuts.
I want someone who can be off in the other room, writing listening to music etc. who will remember ever so ofter ( perhaps every 30 minutes or so ) to come check on Me and make sure My needs were met. I dont want someone who has to lay simpering at my feet all day waiting for My commands to issue forth.
The ones I have come across though who are of the automaton mind set, are unfortunately not intelligent enough to even entice Me into considering them. I do know that my bigget problem is location. But I love where I live, not for the political climate. But the natural beauty to be found here.
I know that eventually I will find him. He will mesh with My idea of D/s and it will all work out, until then I am working on the kinks of My plan and constantly revising what I find I need.
I am curious does all of this make me sound like an impossible bitch? I have been called that on more then one occassion, So I am wondering. I would think a slave would appreciate having a Mistress who knows what she wants and is not one to hover over their ever move. Or perhaps I am wrong. I know My ideal slave exists, just a matter of finding him.
Posted by: Mim RedBeard | December 18, 2005 6:29 PM
When trying to fantasize about 24/7 what to do with all that time usually kills the fantasy.
I think how to handle free time is something that would probably really be worked out after the two people have been together for a time. However tantalizing it is for guys like me to think of being treated as nothing really getting through days, weeks, years of service would have to be worked out so that it just doesn’t explode and you have nothing.
The one woman I knew who had a contract (next entry) with her husband/slave told me that accounting for the time he could spend on and for himself in the way we’ve been talking was the most important part of the document.
Being attentive is one of the joys of living with someone. In my prior – wholly vanilla – relationship I was regularly checking to see if I could get a coke or the like. Pleasure in the happiness of the other is key to conventional romantic love and loving service.
There are plenty of places with natural beauty. But it wouldn’t be of the exact quality of where you love now. North Carolina where I live is a good compromise. (When I think where you live I think of the Mafioso who controlled the adult bookstore business once upon at time.)
You say you are constantly revising. Maybe when you meet someone who seems to be right for you then you’ll revise a bit to accommodate him. Making the details as it were. Not because he’s demanding but because he seems worth it.
Oh, giving yourself to someone who isn’t sure of what she wants would be the wrong kind of Hell.
Nope, you don’t sound like an impossible bitch. You are looking for true devotion and obedience. But not demanding that the man damage himself.
I think many dominant women are told they are bitches for being honest. And told they aren’t “really” a Domme when talking about the two-way aspect of D/s.
Some guy will eventually be very lucky.
Posted by: Richard | December 18, 2005 7:52 PM
I am a young 50 very dom like to spank younger males and females and make them suck and swallow, and then fuck them
Posted by: Master Paul | December 30, 2009 5:29 PM
hi im kev and am wanting to submit myself to you to be your full time slave Im a youg man of 25 in good shape I have recently been a slave but have the need to have a leader a mistress and have no other goals in life other than to be your slave Im strong and can carry out any given tasks my mistress my life is in your hands
Posted by: kev parry | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM